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More about the Jewish Question

 

On August 14, 2006, we received the following email regarding The Jewish Question. I believe it is especially relevant since the views expressed by this sister in the Lord are representative of the many Christians in the world today and how they view the political State of Israel.

Dear Brother Torell,

After reading your paper titled “Dancing around the Golden calf”…I was unsettled in my heart about many things you spoke of….I want you to know up until this point I have admired and shared much of your teaching with others…BUT this had me troubled…I am not a scholar or a theologian so a lot of what you shared went right over my head...So I shared it with a teacher that I respect highly and this is a few things that he had to say about what you wrote…Please open your heart to hear what the spirit is saying…

The basic premise to which Mr. Torell seems opposed is that of the re-establishment of the political state of Israel and then subsequently the Christian support of this nation in any way.

Genesis 12.1-3 clearly indicates that all who bless Israel will be blessed.  This verse, by itself, legitimizes any Christian based support shown to Israel.

Furthermore, although he makes a strong point saying that the Kingdom of God resides within people and cannot be seen; the Scriptures NEVER equate the Kingdom of God with the nation of Israel.  The promises made to Abraham remain eternally a distinct covenant from the covenant ratified through Christ.  One is a covenant in the flesh and the other is a covenant in the spirit.  He seems to be attempting a blending of these two very different covenants.

On another note, he refers to modern Jewery (Judaism) as representative of the "Synagogue of Satan" to which the Scriptures refer.

In my personal opinion, the theology and spirituality of Jewery is far closer to the Biblical pattern and paradigm than is the Christian theology and spirituality; yet, Jewery has of yet not recognized Christ.  On the other hand, the Christ that Christendom preaches does not accurately represent the actual Scriptural teachings concerning Him.

To put it as succinctly as possible, Jewery does not accurately believe in Christ due to ignorance - they simply have never in recent history been presented with the actual Scriptural message of Christ while on the other hand, Christendom has known Christ but has corrupted and perverted his message and teachings.  To me, a deliberate perversion of the truth is more satanic than an ignorance of the truth.

If Mr. Torell considers himself an objective and informed scholar, he will undoubtedly concede that the grand history of the church has been more characterized by anti-scriptural teachings and anti-scriptural practices than scriptural accuracy.  In fact, the entire protestant movement bears witness to the gross error with which the church plagued mankind.  To go even one step further, every modern day revival bears witness that the church is STILL prone to fall into the devil's schemes - else revival would never be necessary!

It is in the Christian church that the devil finds his strongest foothold today.  The modern church is the synagogue of satan - not Jewery!  (please realize that I am speaking VERY stereotypically, there are, to be sure, pockets of light even in christendom but they may be fewer and dimmer than ANYONE would care to admit!)

The more Christians are actively involved in supporting Israel AND modern Jewery, the more willing they will be to listen to what Christians may tell them.  Most people want to know you care before they care to hear what you know!  Who knows, if Christians are not too proud, they might even learn a thing or two from the Jews about what it means to REALLY serve God and to learn how to begin to interpret the Scriptures accurately!  (ouch! but YES, I mean it!!!!)

I want to thank you for taking the time to read…ponder and seek God on these matters. In His Name…

A sister in the faith

Dear Sister, 

Thank you for writing to me. I have read through what this other person gave you and I want to respond to his comments. I have already written much about where I stand on The Jewish Question and I recommend that you read this article first.

I have also responded below to some of the statements made in this e-mail to further clarify my stand on this issue.

The basic premise to which Mr. Torell seems opposed is that of the re-establishment of the political state of Israel and then subsequently the Christian support of this nation in any way.

Genesis 12.1-3 clearly indicates that all who bless Israel will be blessed.  This verse, by itself, legitimizes any Christian based support shown to Israel.

God said that those who bless Abraham will be blessed, He did not say the State of Israel. The promise from God is repeated in Genesis 22:16-18, with God expounding upon the blessing of Abraham that the blessing is also for his seed.

Genesis 22:16-18

  1. And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

  2. That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

  3. And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

The State of Israel is not the seed of Abraham, the Apostle Paul affirmed this when he said that the seed of Abraham is now every person who has been born again. It does not matter if you are a Jew, Greek or any other nationality; we are all one in Christ.

Romans 4:13-14

  1. For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

  2. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Galatians 3:1-29

  1. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

  2. This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

  3. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

  4. Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

  5. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

  6. Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

  7. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

  8. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

  9. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

  10. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

  11. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

  12. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

  13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

  14. That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

  15. Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

  16. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

  17. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

  18. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

  19. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

  20. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

  21. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

  22. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

  23. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

  24. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

  25. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

  26. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

  27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

  28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

  29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Furthermore, although he makes a strong point saying that the Kingdom of God resides within people and cannot be seen; the Scriptures NEVER equate the Kingdom of God with the nation of Israel.  The promises made to Abraham remain eternally a distinct covenant from the covenant ratified through Christ.  One is a covenant in the flesh and the other is a covenant in the spirit.  He seems to be attempting a blending of these two very different covenants.

This theological thinking is unbiblical and comes from the teachings of men like John Darby and Cyrus Scofield. In Hebrews chapter 8, the Apostle Paul clearly teaches that the second covenant through Christ has made the first covenant null and void. However, as long as a person holds the viewpoint that the first covenant is still in effect along with the second, it is useless to try and talk with them. This kind of thinking has produced what is known as a "two-tier" salvation plan, one for Jewish people and one for the Gentiles. The Book of Acts is a historical recording that the Jewish believers in Christ broke from the first covenant and rejected Judaism as a means of salvation.

On another note, he refers to modern Jewery (Judaism) as representative of the "Synagogue of Satan" to which the Scriptures refer.

In my personal opinion, the theology and spirituality of Jewery is far closer to the Biblical pattern and paradigm than is the Christian theology and spirituality; yet, Jewery has of yet not recognized Christ.  On the other hand, the Christ that Christendom preaches does not accurately represent the actual Scriptural teachings concerning Him.

To put it as succinctly as possible, Jewery does not accurately believe in Christ due to ignorance - they simply have never in recent history been presented with the actual Scriptural message of Christ while on the other hand, Christendom has known Christ but has corrupted and perverted his message and teachings.  To me, a deliberate perversion of the truth is more satanic than an ignorance of the truth.

This is not a true statement. All Jewish children are taught in their educational system that Mary was a whore who became pregnant by a Roman soldier and that Jesus is a bastard cursed by God. This teaching is found in the Talmud which most Jewish people have more regard for than the Old Testament. Thus, Jewish people are not ignorant, they just have been indoctrinated with lies about Jesus and his mother. As a result, a Christian must make a choice to believe what is written in the whole Bible (New and Old Testament) or believe what Jewish leaders want Christians to believe.

If Mr. Torell considers himself an objective and informed scholar, he will undoubtedly concede that the grand history of the church has been more characterized by anti-scriptural teachings and anti-scriptural practices than scriptural accuracy.  In fact, the entire protestant movement bears witness to the gross error with which the church plagued mankind.  To go even one step further, every modern day revival bears witness that the church is STILL prone to fall into the devil's schemes - else revival would never be necessary!

The apostles were aware of the great destruction which was going to come to pass in the Christian Church through the ages. Warnings can be found in the following scripture:

1 Timothy 4:1

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Peter 2:1

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Jesus warned us (Matthew chapter 24) about the terrible deception which was to come but that does not mean that we reject the Bible and all that Jesus taught. There will always be false teachers and prophets; however, we should concentrate upon Jesus and the Word of God for our inspiration and not them. For many years I have exposed false teachings and urged people to come back to the truth of the Bible.

It is in the Christian church that the devil finds his strongest foothold today.  The modern church is the synagogue of satan - not Jewery!  (please realize that I am speaking VERY stereotypically, there are, to be sure, pockets of light even in christendom but they may be fewer and dimmer than ANYONE would care to admit!)

The more Christians are actively involved in supporting Israel AND modern Jewery, the more willing they will be to listen to what Christians may tell them.  Most people want to know you care before they care to hear what you know!  Who knows, if Christians are not too proud, they might even learn a thing or two from the Jews about what it means to REALLY serve God and to learn how to begin to interpret the Scriptures accurately!  (ouch! but YES, I mean it!!!!)

If a person truly believes that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah, they must also pay attention to what he said. In Matthew chapter 23, Jesus takes Judaism to task and brands their leaders as blind guides. They were blind then and they are still blind now. To sum it up, it all comes down to one issue: IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD OR NOT? 

After I sent this dear sister in the Lord my response, I received a second email from her.

My eyes are welled up....Brother John I had to make a decision on where I was going with this study group...I also questioned my own heart about my feels or lack of toward Israel...This is my heart ...There is only one way to Father and that is through Jesus Christ...Whether you are Jewish..Hindu..gentile...African...and on and on He is no respecter of person...Yes we are told in Psalms to pray for Jerusalem..But that is all I can gather...Israel will be saved the same way as all the rest...And when the fulness of the Gentiles come in something super natural will happen...Probably like a road to Damascus experience for the Jewish.Israeli, etc...

I forwarded your response to the author of the debate.

Your Sister

 


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