More about the Jewish Question
On August 14, 2006, we received the following email
regarding The Jewish Question. I believe it is especially relevant
since the views expressed by this sister in the Lord are representative of
the many Christians in the world today and how they view the political
State of Israel.
Dear Brother
Torell,
After reading
your paper titled “Dancing
around the Golden calf”…I was unsettled in my heart about many
things you spoke of….I want you to know up until this point I have
admired and shared much of your teaching with others…BUT this had me
troubled…I am not a scholar or a theologian so a lot of what you
shared went right over my head...So I shared it with a teacher that
I respect highly and this is a few things that he had to say about
what you wrote…Please open your heart to hear what the spirit is
saying…
The basic
premise to which Mr. Torell seems opposed is that of the
re-establishment of the political state of Israel and then
subsequently the Christian support of this nation in any way.
Genesis 12.1-3
clearly indicates that all who bless Israel will be blessed. This
verse, by itself, legitimizes any Christian based support shown to
Israel.
Furthermore,
although he makes a strong point saying that the Kingdom of God
resides within people and cannot be seen; the Scriptures NEVER
equate the Kingdom of God with the nation of Israel. The promises
made to Abraham remain eternally a distinct covenant from the
covenant ratified through Christ. One is a covenant in the flesh
and the other is a covenant in the spirit. He seems to be
attempting a blending of these two very different covenants.
On another
note, he refers to modern Jewery (Judaism) as representative of
the "Synagogue of Satan" to which the Scriptures refer.
In my personal
opinion, the theology and spirituality of Jewery is far closer to
the Biblical pattern and paradigm than is the Christian theology
and spirituality; yet, Jewery has of yet not recognized Christ.
On the other hand, the Christ that Christendom preaches does not
accurately represent the actual Scriptural teachings concerning
Him.
To put it as
succinctly as possible, Jewery does not accurately believe in
Christ due to ignorance - they simply have never in recent history
been presented with the actual Scriptural message of Christ while
on the other hand, Christendom has known Christ but has corrupted
and perverted his message and teachings. To me, a deliberate
perversion of the truth is more satanic than an ignorance of the
truth.
If Mr. Torell
considers himself an objective and informed scholar, he will
undoubtedly concede that the grand history of the church has been
more characterized by anti-scriptural teachings and
anti-scriptural practices than scriptural accuracy. In fact, the
entire protestant movement bears witness to the gross error with
which the church plagued mankind. To go even one step further,
every modern day revival bears witness that the church is STILL
prone to fall into the devil's schemes - else revival would never
be necessary!
It is in the
Christian church that the devil finds his strongest foothold
today. The modern church is the synagogue of satan - not Jewery!
(please realize that I am speaking VERY stereotypically, there
are, to be sure, pockets of light even in christendom but they may
be fewer and dimmer than ANYONE would care to admit!)
The more
Christians are actively involved in supporting Israel AND modern
Jewery, the more willing they will be to listen to what Christians
may tell them. Most people want to know you care before they care
to hear what you know! Who knows, if Christians are not too
proud, they might even learn a thing or two from the Jews about
what it means to REALLY serve God and to learn how to begin to
interpret the Scriptures accurately! (ouch! but YES, I mean
it!!!!)
I want to thank
you for taking the time to read…ponder and seek God on these
matters. In His Name…
A sister in the
faith |
Dear Sister,
Thank you for writing
to me. I have read through what this other person gave you and I want to
respond to his comments. I have already written much about where I stand
on The Jewish Question and I
recommend that you read this article first.
I have also responded
below to some of the statements made in this e-mail to further clarify my
stand on this issue.
The basic premise
to which Mr. Torell seems opposed is that of the re-establishment of
the political state of Israel and then subsequently the Christian
support of this nation in any way.
Genesis 12.1-3
clearly indicates that all who bless Israel will be blessed. This
verse, by itself, legitimizes any Christian based support shown to
Israel. |
God said that those who
bless Abraham will be blessed, He did not say the State of Israel. The
promise from God is repeated in Genesis 22:16-18, with God expounding upon
the blessing of Abraham that the blessing is also for his seed.
Genesis 22:16-18
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And said, By myself
have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and
hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
-
That in blessing I will
bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of
the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed
shall possess the gate of his enemies;
-
And in thy seed shall
all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my
voice.
The State of Israel is
not the seed of Abraham, the Apostle Paul affirmed this when he said that
the seed of Abraham is now every person who has been born again. It does
not matter if you are a Jew, Greek or any other nationality; we are all
one in Christ.
Romans 4:13-14
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For the promise,
that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his
seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
-
For if they which
are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of
none effect:
Galatians 3:1-29
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O foolish
Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth,
before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth,
crucified among you?
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This only would I
learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by
the hearing of faith?
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Are ye so foolish?
having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
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Have ye suffered so
many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
-
He therefore that
ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth
he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
-
Even as Abraham
believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
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Know ye therefore
that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
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And the scripture,
foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached
before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be
blessed.
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So then they which
be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
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For as many as are
of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed
is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in
the book of the law to do them.
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But that no man is
justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just
shall live by faith.
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And the law is not
of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
-
Christ hath
redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for
it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
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That the blessing
of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we
might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
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Brethren, I speak
after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it
be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
-
Now to Abraham and
his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of
many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
-
And this I say,
that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the
law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul,
that it should make the promise of none effect.
-
For if the
inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it
to Abraham by promise.
-
Wherefore then
serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed
should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by
angels in the hand of a mediator.
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Now a mediator is
not a mediator of one, but God is one.
-
Is the law then
against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law
given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have
been by the law.
-
But the scripture
hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus
Christ might be given to them that believe.
-
But before faith
came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should
afterwards be revealed.
-
Wherefore the law
was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be
justified by faith.
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But after that
faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
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For ye are all the
children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
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For as many of you
as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
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There is neither
Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male
nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
-
And if ye be
Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the
promise.
Furthermore, although he makes a strong point
saying that the Kingdom of God resides within people and cannot be
seen; the Scriptures NEVER equate the Kingdom of God with the nation
of Israel. The promises made to Abraham remain eternally a distinct
covenant from the covenant ratified through Christ. One is a
covenant in the flesh and the other is a covenant in the spirit. He
seems to be attempting a blending of these two very different
covenants. |
This theological
thinking is unbiblical and comes from the teachings of men like John Darby
and
Cyrus Scofield. In Hebrews chapter 8, the Apostle Paul clearly teaches
that the second covenant through Christ has made the first covenant null
and void. However, as long as a person holds the viewpoint that the first
covenant is still in effect along with the second, it is useless to try
and talk with them. This kind of thinking has produced what is known as a
"two-tier" salvation plan, one for Jewish people and one for the Gentiles.
The Book of Acts is a historical recording that the Jewish believers
in Christ broke from the first covenant and rejected Judaism as a means of
salvation.
On another note,
he refers to modern Jewery (Judaism) as representative of the
"Synagogue of Satan" to which the Scriptures refer.
In my personal
opinion, the theology and spirituality of Jewery is far closer to
the Biblical pattern and paradigm than is the Christian theology and
spirituality; yet, Jewery has of yet not recognized Christ. On the
other hand, the Christ that Christendom preaches does not accurately
represent the actual Scriptural teachings concerning Him.
To put it as
succinctly as possible, Jewery does not accurately believe in Christ
due to ignorance - they simply have never in recent history been
presented with the actual Scriptural message of Christ while on the
other hand, Christendom has known Christ but has corrupted and
perverted his message and teachings. To me, a deliberate perversion
of the truth is more satanic than an ignorance of the truth. |
This is not a true
statement. All Jewish children are taught in their educational system that
Mary was a whore who became pregnant by a Roman soldier and that Jesus is
a bastard cursed by God. This teaching is found in the Talmud which most
Jewish people have more regard for than the Old Testament. Thus, Jewish
people are not ignorant, they just have been indoctrinated with lies about
Jesus and his mother. As a result, a Christian must make a choice to
believe what is written in the whole Bible (New and Old Testament) or
believe what Jewish leaders want Christians to believe.
If Mr. Torell considers himself an objective and
informed scholar, he will undoubtedly concede that the grand history
of the church has been more characterized by anti-scriptural
teachings and anti-scriptural practices than scriptural accuracy.
In fact, the entire protestant movement bears witness to the gross
error with which the church plagued mankind. To go even one step
further, every modern day revival bears witness that the church is
STILL prone to fall into the devil's schemes - else revival would
never be necessary! |
The apostles were aware
of the great destruction which was going to come to pass in the Christian
Church through the ages. Warnings can be found in the following scripture:
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit
speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the
faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Peter 2:1
But there were false
prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers
among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying
the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Jesus warned us
(Matthew chapter 24) about the terrible deception which was to come but
that does not mean that we reject the Bible and all that Jesus taught.
There will always be false teachers and prophets; however, we should
concentrate upon Jesus and the Word of God for our inspiration and not
them. For many years I have exposed false teachings and urged people to
come back to the truth of the Bible.
It is in the
Christian church that the devil finds his strongest foothold today.
The modern church is the synagogue of satan - not Jewery! (please
realize that I am speaking VERY stereotypically, there are, to be
sure, pockets of light even in christendom but they may be fewer and
dimmer than ANYONE would care to admit!)
The more
Christians are actively involved in supporting Israel AND modern
Jewery, the more willing they will be to listen to what Christians
may tell them. Most people want to know you care before they care
to hear what you know! Who knows, if Christians are not too proud,
they might even learn a thing or two from the Jews about what it
means to REALLY serve God and to learn how to begin to interpret the
Scriptures accurately! (ouch! but YES, I mean it!!!!) |
If a person truly
believes that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah, they must also pay
attention to what he said. In Matthew chapter 23, Jesus takes Judaism to
task and brands their leaders as blind guides. They were blind then and
they are still blind now. To sum it up, it all comes down to one issue:
IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD OR NOT?
After I sent this dear
sister in the Lord my response, I received a second email from her.
My eyes are
welled up....Brother John I had to make a decision on where I was
going with this study group...I also questioned my own heart about
my feels or lack of toward Israel...This is my heart ...There is
only one way to Father and that is through Jesus Christ...Whether
you are Jewish..Hindu..gentile...African...and on and on He is no
respecter of person...Yes we are told in Psalms to pray for
Jerusalem..But that is all I can gather...Israel will be saved the
same way as all the rest...And when the fulness of the Gentiles come
in something super natural will happen...Probably like a road to
Damascus experience for the Jewish.Israeli, etc...
I forwarded your
response to the author of the debate.
Your Sister |
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