The Ignorance of Christians Concerning
by John S. Torell
The following email came in to me from "Bill" who had
shared some information about the roots of Zionism with another friend,
"Chris." I decided to post it online because it shows the total lack of knowledge
about the roots of Zionism among Christians.
I have shared some information with a Christian
friend, and this is his response to Ted Pike and Benjamin Freedman.
There is also a response from Jews for Jesus. I thought I would
forward this to you so you can tell us if there is any documentation
that would back up Benjamin Freedman's claims of having
documentation. Zionism is so big, yet why can't anyone see it. I
want to know, is the church today like a Judas, thinking were doing
Jesus a favor?
THE RESPONSE TO CHRIS FROM THREE DIFFERENT SOURCES:
I have been getting inputs from a number of Christian Leaders whom I
respect here is an up-date.
From the founder of Jews for Jesus, Moshe Rosen: (They do have an
active evangelical outreach in Jerusalem.)
I read through some of the material you sent and it is anything but
true. Frankly the Zionist Movement, as described, is generally
projected by those who believe The Protocols of the Elders of
Zion.This Fellow, Ted Pike, is an outright liar when he talks about
Kabbalah and Talmuld. I for one do not have any use for these
non-biblical books as shedding any light on the true faith but they
certainly don't have anything about the conspiracy, of which Mr.
He additionally shared that in order to understand Ted Pike's
esoteric interpretation of what he calls "Historical Documents"
There must be credible verification of those documents. And he knows
So Bill are you aware of or have you actually
seen the documentation and their verification? Let me know.
Another input from Michael, a born-again Jewish
Christian Pastor, regarding documentation:
When someone makes a claim, the burden of proof is upon them to
produce the evidence for that claim. The way to get your friends to
see how false these statements are is to simply request that they
produce the documents that this man claims he's basing his "facts"
on. You see, anybody can say anything about anyone - for example, I
"I know for sure the Bulgarians are out to take over the world and I
have documents to prove it." Then, I have to produce the
documentation to prove my claim. Freedman, for example, makes
audacious claims and says he has the documentatation. Well, that
means it should be redily available to all. Ask them to produce it.
The fact is, most people don't take the time to substanciate claims
- so they are easily deceived.
So we could say:
This guy, Freedman, is making all this up. He claims he has
documents but I would bet that you couldn't produce them if your
life depended on it. You see, it's all lies until there is
documentation to prove his claims. I sincerely feel a little
embarrassed for you that you are believing these unsubstantiated,
undocumented statements - taking them hook line and sinker without
taking the time to even look at these "documents" he's claiming he
has that will substantiate his statements of his. Here's what he
said - it's about the 16th paragraph in his speech (I highlighted
the part about him claiming to have documentation for all these
"While that was going on, the Zionists in Germany, who represented
the Zionists from Eastern Europe, went to the British War Cabinet
and -- I am going to be brief because this is a long story, but I
have all the documents to prove any statement that I make if anyone
here is curious, or doesn't believe what I'm saying is at all
possible -- the Zionists in London went to the British war cabinet
and they said: Look here. You can yet win this war. You don't have
to give up. You don't have to accept the negotiated peace offered to
you now by Germany. You can win this war if the United States will
come in as your ally.
Q#1 - Where are the verified documents he claims he has to prove
that the Zionists in London went to the British war cabinet and
"Look here. You can yet win this war. you don't have to give up. You
don't have to accept the negotiated peace offered to you now by
Germany. You can win this war if the United States will come in as
Q#2 - And where are the verified documents that prove this:
"They [Zionists] told England: We will guarantee to bring the United
States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side, if
you will promise us Palestine after you win the war.
In other words, they made this deal: We will get the United States
into this war as your ally. The price you must pay us is Palestine
after you have won the war and defeated Germany, Austria-Hungary,
Then, ask them to document the rest of his audacious claims. They'll
be at work at this for months - and will not produce anything. This
will actually be a blessing in many ways:
1) you'll be teaching them to get documentation before passing
claims on to others as "fact"
2) you'll be giving them the opportunity to do research instead of
passing on lies
3) you'll affirm with them that you do not just jump on board when
new revelations are shared with you but instead you will proceed
with caution and seek credible substantiation of the documentation
that is claimed to be available. Simply ask them to produce this
documentation along with its verification and they'll be left with
egg on their face.
If, for some strange reason they come up with any kind of semblance
of documentation, then make sure it's substantiated with a credible
witness - like a historian - and not a fellow anti-semite.
Michael is very involved with preaching the
Gospel and does
street ministry as well as pastor the Church that we are attending.
He is humble and gifted and has a wonderful anointing which we both
|And from Pastor Jack Hayford of Church on The Way:
He has a tape on "the eight reasons why we support the Nation of
Israel." This includes God's promise to Israel and how God deals
with the subsequent sins of the nation.
Jack is a scholar and a recognized authority on Israel and Biblical
And he is the current Presiding National Leader of the Four Square
He was one of the best Professors I learned from when I earned my
Master's Degree in Divinity back in the 70's.
All these counselors seem to be in agreement that this Zionist
conspiracy is not true and cannot be credibly substantiated. I also
shared it with a few others but
haven't heard from them.
I took a lot of time to do this because I love you and wanted to
examine what you shared. I look forward to talking with you soon.
Sincerely, with love,
THE RESPONSE OF JOHN S. TORELL TO "BILL"
The men who responded to you are totally uneducated in
Jewish matters. I feel sorry for them. For starters, here are two
references to the Zionist movement, written by unsaved Jews, printed and
distributed in Jewish circles only. If these men want to purchase these
books, and most of all read them, they will forever hang their heads in
shame for being so uneducated and yet speaking so strongly about something
which they know nothing about.
This first reference comes in two volumes and is
called "New Encyclopedia of Zionism and Israel." The first edition was
published in 1971 by Herzl Press and McGraw-Hill, New York. The second
edition published in 1974 by Associated University Presses., New Jersey.
This publication is presented by the World Zionist Federation as the
official historical record of their movement. Even if this work is done
by unsaved Jews, their work cannot be refuted since it contains photos,
biographies and historical events, all of which have been documented by
the contributors of this encyclopedia. Hundreds of Jewish Zionist
leaders are listed as the contributors and the list reads like "Who's
Who" in Jewish circles.
The second reference is "The Transfer Agreement" by
Edwin Black. It is published by Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., New
York, 1984. Edwin Black, an American Jew, gives a very damning
historical account how the Zionist Leadership collaborated with the
Nazis from 1933 until 1945. This sensitive subject has been debated in
Jewish circles since the mid 1930's since it proves that the Holocaust
was partially to blame on the Zionistic movement. Abraham H. Foxman, an
American Jew and national director of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL),
wrote an afterword in this book confessing that the old Jewish
leadership had indeed been working with the Nazis, but they had done so
under duress, trying to save as many Jews as possible and sacrificing
others to the Nazis. This book lists sources from Zionist documents to
government sources in the United States, England, France and Germany.
There is much other written material about the Zionist
movement but these two Jewish publications will blow any Christian Zionist
out of the water if they are actually willing to read the material. I have
written about Zionism myself in the following issues of The Dove:
2004. I wrote an article, Where Do I
Stand On The Jewish Question in which I lay out my position. There is
also a email which I received, it
is especially relevant since the views expressed by this sister in the
Lord are representative of the many Christians in the world today and how
they view the political State of Israel.
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